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		<title>Comment on O, ORDOS by amp</title>
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		<dc:creator>amp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting Josh.
Perhaps meaningful form can be symbolic, where as abstracted form is phenomenal/semiotic (not that those two are directly related). To take the old cliche out of the trunk, it can be anything to anyone. But space is where we live out culture, form is where we politicize it (and interestingly enough, deposit images of culture into the collective)

Elan - That work reminds of how weak, in an electrical sense, spatial-formal implication is. An observer's attitude directly effects the intelligibility of a concept over purely abstracted or mathematical relationships. Matta-clark's work is interesting because it uses the mathematical (conical section) abstraction of volumetric geometry to foreground the attitude of the observer in relation to the given context (the apartment, cultural field).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Josh.<br />
Perhaps meaningful form can be symbolic, where as abstracted form is phenomenal/semiotic (not that those two are directly related). To take the old cliche out of the trunk, it can be anything to anyone. But space is where we live out culture, form is where we politicize it (and interestingly enough, deposit images of culture into the collective)</p>
<p>Elan - That work reminds of how weak, in an electrical sense, spatial-formal implication is. An observer&#8217;s attitude directly effects the intelligibility of a concept over purely abstracted or mathematical relationships. Matta-clark&#8217;s work is interesting because it uses the mathematical (conical section) abstraction of volumetric geometry to foreground the attitude of the observer in relation to the given context (the apartment, cultural field).</p>
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		<title>Comment on O, ORDOS by elan</title>
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		<dc:creator>elan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>josh, 'form does not contain space' is perplexing. what do you think about gordon matta-clark's "Conical Intersect" in Paris?  Is this form or space?  i don't understand what you mean that it 'ought be more symbol than anything'.  are you facetious? my sense is: if the void is a kind of figure that is public, this seems to be what is disregarded in the master plan for Ordos. the emphasis of 'the object' reinforces this collective disregard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>josh, &#8216;form does not contain space&#8217; is perplexing. what do you think about gordon matta-clark&#8217;s &#8220;Conical Intersect&#8221; in Paris?  Is this form or space?  i don&#8217;t understand what you mean that it &#8216;ought be more symbol than anything&#8217;.  are you facetious? my sense is: if the void is a kind of figure that is public, this seems to be what is disregarded in the master plan for Ordos. the emphasis of &#8216;the object&#8217; reinforces this collective disregard.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LINE by glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lebbeus, I've had some difficulty with the concept of 'line,' in particular what does it represent and where do I locate it.  Looking out my window just now, I search for the line and am unable to see it...anywhere, only abstractions that were perhaps conceived-that had an origin in another abstraction...

A line is impossible.  Look deep enough and it's true identity will emerge...broken by surface or molecular fragmentation.  I'm wondering if digital lines are possible, then again 'digital' is another means of abstraction...

Perhaps abstractions are like Wittgenstein's proposition on language, that they are successful to the extent that they are general..and so ultimately we are alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lebbeus, I&#8217;ve had some difficulty with the concept of &#8216;line,&#8217; in particular what does it represent and where do I locate it.  Looking out my window just now, I search for the line and am unable to see it&#8230;anywhere, only abstractions that were perhaps conceived-that had an origin in another abstraction&#8230;</p>
<p>A line is impossible.  Look deep enough and it&#8217;s true identity will emerge&#8230;broken by surface or molecular fragmentation.  I&#8217;m wondering if digital lines are possible, then again &#8216;digital&#8217; is another means of abstraction&#8230;</p>
<p>Perhaps abstractions are like Wittgenstein&#8217;s proposition on language, that they are successful to the extent that they are general..and so ultimately we are alone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on O, ORDOS by Diego Penalver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diego Penalver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 13:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi to all,
Josh, nice to hear from you.. so many years!

Lebb,
Following your thoughts, does´nt this project seam like an architectural collection of a sort, where all architects have been called to solve nothing, or a very conventional program at best,  an architectural figure show?
I could imagine a whole set of interesting and relevant architectural problems-situations for young talents to contribute.(Spencer..;-) And I imagine you too..
Josh: I think architecture is still a relevant factor for humanity, for society, you can actually be a determinant element to human welfare, happyness, from the very simple  to the most complex, if this is what you call indigenous design: I´m with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi to all,<br />
Josh, nice to hear from you.. so many years!</p>
<p>Lebb,<br />
Following your thoughts, does´nt this project seam like an architectural collection of a sort, where all architects have been called to solve nothing, or a very conventional program at best,  an architectural figure show?<br />
I could imagine a whole set of interesting and relevant architectural problems-situations for young talents to contribute.(Spencer.. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> And I imagine you too..<br />
Josh: I think architecture is still a relevant factor for humanity, for society, you can actually be a determinant element to human welfare, happyness, from the very simple  to the most complex, if this is what you call indigenous design: I´m with you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LINE by Josh V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, a sketch shows thought process. I've always preferred working with a pen on my sketches to prevent myself from erasing. I want to see my mistakes or places where I change my mind and moved a line. It can show where I started and where I ended in one drawing. This is just my style. [I've been told I have a very "hairy" style of sketching because I often draw over the same line multiple times, haha].

I like how you address the fact that each person can express their thoughts in their own style of drawing. A friend of mine draws site analysis and conceptual studies similar to Liebeskind, but neither his or Leibeskind's drawings mean anything to me.This is not to say they are worthless. Obviously, if they benefitted the artist, then it has worth. I can appreciate that fact, but if these artists are to publish or display their sketches, descriptions of their methods or stream of thought might help understand. Otherwise, it's just a pretty image to me, drawn in a foreign language.

I have younger coleagues who sketch in absurd, abstract styles for the sake of being different. When asked what they mean, they reply, "I dunno". What worth is that? Their intriguing image is now a pile of rubbish in my eyes. Trying something different is good for learning, but know what your doing. Have intent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, a sketch shows thought process. I&#8217;ve always preferred working with a pen on my sketches to prevent myself from erasing. I want to see my mistakes or places where I change my mind and moved a line. It can show where I started and where I ended in one drawing. This is just my style. [I've been told I have a very "hairy" style of sketching because I often draw over the same line multiple times, haha].</p>
<p>I like how you address the fact that each person can express their thoughts in their own style of drawing. A friend of mine draws site analysis and conceptual studies similar to Liebeskind, but neither his or Leibeskind&#8217;s drawings mean anything to me.This is not to say they are worthless. Obviously, if they benefitted the artist, then it has worth. I can appreciate that fact, but if these artists are to publish or display their sketches, descriptions of their methods or stream of thought might help understand. Otherwise, it&#8217;s just a pretty image to me, drawn in a foreign language.</p>
<p>I have younger coleagues who sketch in absurd, abstract styles for the sake of being different. When asked what they mean, they reply, &#8220;I dunno&#8221;. What worth is that? Their intriguing image is now a pile of rubbish in my eyes. Trying something different is good for learning, but know what your doing. Have intent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on O, ORDOS by Josh Horowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 17:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free space is not a function of architecture or form of any kind. It is more a function of culture. Form ought be more symbol than anything else. 
Form does not contain space as we have been hoodwinked to believe. It most certainly does not limit quantum, cosmic or mental space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free space is not a function of architecture or form of any kind. It is more a function of culture. Form ought be more symbol than anything else.<br />
Form does not contain space as we have been hoodwinked to believe. It most certainly does not limit quantum, cosmic or mental space.</p>
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		<title>Comment on O, ORDOS by Elan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 07:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading that H+dM said their bird's nest is a political breakthrough because people will pick their own seats, and in that regard it will develop democracy. (since certainly 1.4 billion people will use it). I wonder if they are thinking, if we give a bunch of rich people a boring community it will make them feel out of touch. In either case it seems more like an excuse than an idea.  They should make all the houses empty inside and put the money into the landscape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading that H+dM said their bird&#8217;s nest is a political breakthrough because people will pick their own seats, and in that regard it will develop democracy. (since certainly 1.4 billion people will use it). I wonder if they are thinking, if we give a bunch of rich people a boring community it will make them feel out of touch. In either case it seems more like an excuse than an idea.  They should make all the houses empty inside and put the money into the landscape.</p>
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		<title>Comment on O, ORDOS by amp</title>
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		<dc:creator>amp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh - interesting proclamation. The only indigenous craft of the American people at this point in history is a tricked out myspace page. Can't live in it - but it is work of the people, from the people and for the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh - interesting proclamation. The only indigenous craft of the American people at this point in history is a tricked out myspace page. Can&#8217;t live in it - but it is work of the people, from the people and for the people.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LINE by aes</title>
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		<dc:creator>aes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 05:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drawing, which is derived from the same root as the word 'drafting', has always implied the action of pulling (as one would draft water from the depths of the earth), and is then fundamentally connected to the line by both a literal and conceptual tension (i'm thinking about cables as opposed to columns): that is, the tension between the technically trained, practiced hand; and the roaming, uninhibited imagination. In a way, the more powerful the two dialectical forces are in resistance to the other, the tighter, more precise the line that holds them in tension. One pulls, instead of pushes, for clarity and control.

And, of course, there is also the other tension, between the drawer and the drawn, between the pencil-point just above the paper's surface and the white leviathan just beneath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drawing, which is derived from the same root as the word &#8216;drafting&#8217;, has always implied the action of pulling (as one would draft water from the depths of the earth), and is then fundamentally connected to the line by both a literal and conceptual tension (i&#8217;m thinking about cables as opposed to columns): that is, the tension between the technically trained, practiced hand; and the roaming, uninhibited imagination. In a way, the more powerful the two dialectical forces are in resistance to the other, the tighter, more precise the line that holds them in tension. One pulls, instead of pushes, for clarity and control.</p>
<p>And, of course, there is also the other tension, between the drawer and the drawn, between the pencil-point just above the paper&#8217;s surface and the white leviathan just beneath.</p>
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		<title>Comment on O, ORDOS by Josh Horowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Leb, Diego,
Architecture is dead. A return to indigenous design is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Leb, Diego,<br />
Architecture is dead. A return to indigenous design is needed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on O, ORDOS by manolo marquez</title>
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		<dc:creator>manolo marquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering the amount of money involved, the urban layout seems mediocre, absurd, and lacking any interest for community, leisure and green areas. This cluster at best, resembles a mediocre revival of those 50's suburban neighborhoods you talk about. 
There are better examples of aspirational middle class neighborhoods in mexico which at least attempt to achieve a sense of community by bringing parks, gardens and trails within. Its really sad to see another opportunity to redesign and imagine new ways of living go to waste, just like the case you presented before, with Rem Koolhaas' Manhattan clone chunk implanted in Dubai.
The press and media attention of having 100 young firms designing at unison seems to me a (not so) cheap trick of marketing, and profit is the main architecture premise today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the amount of money involved, the urban layout seems mediocre, absurd, and lacking any interest for community, leisure and green areas. This cluster at best, resembles a mediocre revival of those 50&#8217;s suburban neighborhoods you talk about.<br />
There are better examples of aspirational middle class neighborhoods in mexico which at least attempt to achieve a sense of community by bringing parks, gardens and trails within. Its really sad to see another opportunity to redesign and imagine new ways of living go to waste, just like the case you presented before, with Rem Koolhaas&#8217; Manhattan clone chunk implanted in Dubai.<br />
The press and media attention of having 100 young firms designing at unison seems to me a (not so) cheap trick of marketing, and profit is the main architecture premise today.</p>
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		<title>Comment on O, ORDOS by spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diego,

At first I though I want to be a part of this to fulfill some desire to express an idea on housing but on second thought I agree with you.  this is an example of the tramping around of our profession to the whims of those with money...see Dubia for another example.

You could use this as an opportunity to advocate for architect's to prioritize and redefine where our needs are best in service to.  I'm not sure what this could materialize into but I'd be willing to help create it if you are up for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diego,</p>
<p>At first I though I want to be a part of this to fulfill some desire to express an idea on housing but on second thought I agree with you.  this is an example of the tramping around of our profession to the whims of those with money&#8230;see Dubia for another example.</p>
<p>You could use this as an opportunity to advocate for architect&#8217;s to prioritize and redefine where our needs are best in service to.  I&#8217;m not sure what this could materialize into but I&#8217;d be willing to help create it if you are up for it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LINE by spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke makes a good point that drawing is more than what we do with one tool.  I've always appreciated Lebbeus' use of pen and colored pencil in the same way I enjoy and am inspired by Lars Lerup's use of those tools.

My greatest inspiration comes from an illustrator friend of mine who has transgressed physical drawing with the digital.  He has mastered both tools to both streamline and enhance his desired result.  When I first met him his skill with marker, pencil and pen was unparrelled.  He since has adapted to our digital world while retaining his high skill level as a hand drawer.

This is particulary emphatic to me when I see new people coming into our work who can hardly draw thier ideas by hand.  Maybe I'm still stuck in the stone age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke makes a good point that drawing is more than what we do with one tool.  I&#8217;ve always appreciated Lebbeus&#8217; use of pen and colored pencil in the same way I enjoy and am inspired by Lars Lerup&#8217;s use of those tools.</p>
<p>My greatest inspiration comes from an illustrator friend of mine who has transgressed physical drawing with the digital.  He has mastered both tools to both streamline and enhance his desired result.  When I first met him his skill with marker, pencil and pen was unparrelled.  He since has adapted to our digital world while retaining his high skill level as a hand drawer.</p>
<p>This is particulary emphatic to me when I see new people coming into our work who can hardly draw thier ideas by hand.  Maybe I&#8217;m still stuck in the stone age.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LINE by Luke Pulliam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Pulliam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lebbeus,

I have always preferred the malleability of charcoal. With the mark of the pen or the hard drawing line, one has to maintain a consciousness that they are working from a light value contrast to a dark contrast. 
But Charcoal can adroitly move form dark to light and back again without any ambiguity of presence.  Of course the eraser plays a key role to this approach to drawing, but I consider erasing apart of my analytical drawing process.  

Thanks for the thoughts on the line.

luke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lebbeus,</p>
<p>I have always preferred the malleability of charcoal. With the mark of the pen or the hard drawing line, one has to maintain a consciousness that they are working from a light value contrast to a dark contrast.<br />
But Charcoal can adroitly move form dark to light and back again without any ambiguity of presence.  Of course the eraser plays a key role to this approach to drawing, but I consider erasing apart of my analytical drawing process.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughts on the line.</p>
<p>luke</p>
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		<title>Comment on O, ORDOS by lebbeuswoods</title>
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		<dc:creator>lebbeuswoods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diego: The relationship of architects---and, consequently, architecture---to economic class, is another, but strongly related, issue. The point here is that if the rich cannot reach higher than this, then it does not bode well for the prospects of the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diego: The relationship of architects&#8212;and, consequently, architecture&#8212;to economic class, is another, but strongly related, issue. The point here is that if the rich cannot reach higher than this, then it does not bode well for the prospects of the rest of us.</p>
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